<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hmmmm. A couple things.....</div><div class="gmail_default"><ul><li><font face="arial, sans-serif">As a different interpretation of the initial data, it appears to me, from totalling the Yes vs No counts, that there were 26 responses and 16 were Yes, which means over 60% responded Yes to attending an offsite retreat.</font></li><li><font face="arial, sans-serif">In hindsight (which is always 20/20), we should have waited to send out the survey until I had more info. COVID is still "top of mind" for a lot of people. Some important points that I learned from the practices at the women's retreat that would address COVID concerns: With one exception of 5 friends in one sleeping room, the women had no more than 2 in a room for their Copneconic Retreat. Also, </font>everyone had to provide a negative self-test just before the<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="gmail-il">retreat</span>, and they required wearing masks when in the indoor large spaces unless they were eating or drinking. For breakouts, the breakout groups could decide for themselves if they wanted to wear masks. Masks were not required outdoors. </li></ul><div>Camp Copneconic gave us 2 weeks to sign a contract. I'd like to propose we canvass the men again, stating that:</div><div><ol><li>We'd have no more than 2 in a sleeping room, unless some men voluntarily wanted to add another.<br></li><li>COVID self-tests before arriving, which are provided to the Retreat organizers.</li><li>Masks required when in large indoor group activities, except during meals.</li><li>Masks not required in indoor breakouts <b><u>if the entire group</u></b> is comfortable without masks.</li><li>Masks not required outdoors.</li><li>No tent or RV camping allowed due to camp licensing restrictions.</li></ol><div>That said, if the consensus of the Men's Council is that we do a day-long gathering at the Church and not an offsite Retreat, that's fine. I'll pursue no further and there's no need to send another survey. Please, all men on the Council, chime in. Thank you,</div></div><div>- John</div></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 7:45 PM Jim Schaefer <<a href="mailto:jim@jvscontrols.com">jim@jvscontrols.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Nice summary on retreat locations John, thanks !<br>
</p>
<p>Thought I would give results of the 28 survey responses so far.
(BTW.. in retrospect I think question 2 is not very useful)</p>
<p>My interpretation is that people are slightly in favor of
off-site, but only 16 people said yes. In my mind 16 people is
not enough momentum to change to off-site. I think if it were off
site there are more people that would not come just because it was
off site. Whereas if we held it at the church our numbers would
probably be higher. At the church we probably end up serving more
people. <br>
</p>
<p>Jim</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Question 1: <br>
</p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:docs-Roboto;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">Hypothetically, if you were asked to
sign up for the men's retreat today and it cost $160 for two
nights at a camp no more than 1 hour away from the church would
you sign up ? (Assume sleeping accommodations were 4 to 7
people in a room and there was no tent camping available.
Trailer or RV OK) <br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:docs-Roboto;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">10 no<br>
16 yes<br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:docs-Roboto;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">Question 2</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:docs-Roboto;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">Would you attend if the only
difference to the previous hypothetical question was that tent
camping was allowed ? <br>
</span><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:docs-Roboto;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">10 no<br>
15 yes</span><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:docs-Roboto;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline"></span><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:docs-Roboto;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline"></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:docs-Roboto;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">QUestion 3</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:docs-Roboto;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">The men's council cannot organize an
off-site retreat without more help. Would you be willing to
meet monthly and spend at least 10 hours in total making the
off-site retreat happen ? <br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:docs-Roboto;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">14 no<br>
12 yes</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:docs-Roboto;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline"><br>
</span><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:docs-Roboto;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline"></span><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:docs-Roboto;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline"></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:docs-Roboto;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">Comments:</span></p>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:20px;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-line;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(32,33,36);background-color:rgb(248,249,250);border-radius:4px;margin:4px 0px 0px;padding:10px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px">Love it!</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:20px;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-line;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(32,33,36);background-color:rgb(248,249,250);border-radius:4px;margin:4px 0px 0px;padding:10px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px">Since it's been over 3 years since we did an off-site retreat, and some men have never attended an offsite retreat, I'd like to put some context into the intro, such as "Some have expressed a desire to hold a Friday evening to Sunday morning retreat offsite at a summer camp location like we did for many years."
Also, in the retreat location question, I believe it will be helpful to also add context to the type of room men will sleep in such as "Assume sleeping accommodations were 4 to 7 people in a cabin-style room and there was no tent camping available. Trailer or RV OK"
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<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:20px;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-line;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(32,33,36);background-color:rgb(248,249,250);border-radius:4px;margin:4px 0px 0px;padding:10px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px">I greatly preferred the on-site at the UUAA building format. I do not think I would do a multi-day off-site event, at least not this next time around.</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:20px;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-line;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(32,33,36);background-color:rgb(248,249,250);border-radius:4px;margin:4px 0px 0px;padding:10px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px">I would be glad to contribute to developing an agenda, but would leave the logistics to someone else. Although I may not attend the Appleton Men's Retreat next weekend as we may become grandparents this week, I have been involved in that agenda which we entitled "When is enough, enough?" which is addressing finances, social and work relationships, and self esteem. John Burke</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:20px;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-line;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(32,33,36);background-color:rgb(248,249,250);border-radius:4px;margin:4px 0px 0px;padding:10px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px">The coronavirus is still with us.</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:20px;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-line;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(32,33,36);background-color:rgb(248,249,250);border-radius:4px;margin:4px 0px 0px;padding:10px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px">I am happy with the local retreats and would prefer that we continue to hold them at the church.</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:20px;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-line;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(32,33,36);background-color:rgb(248,249,250);border-radius:4px;margin:4px 0px 0px;padding:10px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px">I thought the one-day format at the church was excellent</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:20px;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-line;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(32,33,36);background-color:rgb(248,249,250);border-radius:4px;margin:4px 0px 0px;padding:10px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px">10/1 is my anniversary = often i can’t make the normal retreat weekend. 2023 =special, so extended blackout-dates. I would still help, but i am not available after 09/18 - 10/12</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:20px;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-line;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(32,33,36);background-color:rgb(248,249,250);border-radius:4px;margin:4px 0px 0px;padding:10px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px">I would probably come one night or the other and stay in my van. I do like the overnight component. I also enjoyed when we took time to make art or crafts that I otherwise find it hard to get started on.
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<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:20px;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-line;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(32,33,36);background-color:rgb(248,249,250);border-radius:4px;margin:4px 0px 0px;padding:10px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px">I can do specific tasks and attend occasional meetings, but I'd rather not meet regularly</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:20px;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-line;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(32,33,36);background-color:rgb(248,249,250);border-radius:4px;margin:4px 0px 0px;padding:10px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px">I will be happy to help plan future offsite retreats when I'm off the board in a year and a half.</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:20px;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-line;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(32,33,36);background-color:rgb(248,249,250);border-radius:4px;margin:4px 0px 0px;padding:10px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px">Sorry for not helping, but my slate is full right now.</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:20px;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-line;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(32,33,36);background-color:rgb(248,249,250);border-radius:4px;margin:4px 0px 0px;padding:10px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px">I would pay extra to be in a room with less than 4 people. 7 people in a room seems like a lot.</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:20px;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-line;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(32,33,36);background-color:rgb(248,249,250);border-radius:4px;margin:4px 0px 0px;padding:10px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px">It's hard to answer the hypothetical. I plan to attend the retreat in whatever form it happens. IF it's at UUAA again, I would strongly suggest getting small group time started on Friday evening to allow more time for focus and connection. I do not have time to join the planning and prep. Thank you.</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:20px;font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-line;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(32,33,36);background-color:rgb(248,249,250);border-radius:4px;margin:4px 0px 0px;padding:10px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px">To be honest, I am still hesitant about being in larger in-person gatherings. So while I'd love to spend this kind of extended time with other UUAA men, I would say I am more of a "Maybe" at this point.</div>
<p><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:docs-Roboto;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline"></span></p>
<div>On 1/20/2023 7:00 PM, Tom Chettleburgh
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">John, Thank you. This is a great breakdown of
these 4 camps. I agree with you that the best two options are
Copneconic and Storer. I also like the idea of paying extra for
some of the activities like canoeing/kayaking.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>With Copneconic, I wonder if the men will have an issue
with the weekend, being a Michigan home football game, and the
cost--we would probably want to charge $170 like the women.
And this would not include a t-shirt. I am fine with missing
the game, but others may not be--maybe we can arrange the day
so we have a lengthy free time during the game.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If the game limits attendance, Storer that last weekend in
September may be our better option.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Tom</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 11:40
AM John Russell <<a href="mailto:jrtreetown@gmail.com" target="_blank">jrtreetown@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Tom, Jim, Bob, (other members of Men's Council
included as FYI, but input is welcome):
<div> As I committed in our Men's Council meeting on
Saturday, I contacted some camps about a possible Men's
offsite retreat in the Fall. I contacted four camps - Camp
Copneconic (where the UU women held a retreat this past
fall), Camp Storer (a "Y" camp similar to Camp
Copneconic), Camp Talahi (a camp used for Men's retreats
up until about 10 years ago, when they temporarily closed
but are now open again), and Earthwell Retreat &
Nature Sanctuary. All are within an hour's drive from A2.
What I learned from my calls and other research:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<ol>
<li><a href="https://www.earthwellretreat.com" target="_blank">Earthwell
Retreat</a><br>
</li>
<ul>
<li>Jim Schaefer suggested looking into this camp,
located outside Manchester</li>
<li>This camp offers "personal and group retreat
experiences that promote harmony with nature, self,
and others</li>
<li>18 beds total across several cabins (and some of
the beds are upper bunks), 30-person indoor space
with an outdoor tent for larger gatherings, etc.</li>
<li>This could be a great space for a quiet retreat
for a smaller group. They offer yoga, meditation,
wellness themes. Food is catered, all vegetarian,
and focused on farm-to-table.</li>
<li>We could rent the entire camp, but unfortunately
it's<span> </span><u>not large enough and doesn't
have lodging nor meeting facilities that we need</u>.</li>
</ul>
<li><a href="http://camptalahi.org/location/" target="_blank">Camp Talahi</a><br>
</li>
<ul>
<li>Sleeping Space: 2 dorms, 22 bunk beds in each,
plus three 500-600 sq ft cabins with 4 beds each. As
far as space, I believe we need to make an
assumption that most men won't want to climb up to a
top bunk. That said, the 2 dorms would accommodate
44 of us, with the cabins holding the rest. The
cabins have no bathrooms.</li>
<li>Breakout space: The main lodge has a meeting area
indoors, plus a front porch and a side porch, so
breakout meeting space is available. </li>
<li>Food: The camp has a commercial kitchen but it's
not staffed. They have an outside cook who can come
in and cook for us. The current owners closed on
the property in June, construction/repairs are
ongoing.</li>
<li>Friday night potluck: not a problem. </li>
<li>Tents, RVs not a problem because we have the whole
camp.</li>
<li>We could rent the entire camp at a cost of about
$3,000-$3500. ($60- about $70/person ) This does not
include food. </li>
<li>Dates Availability: The last two weekends in
September are booked. Sept 15-17 is available.</li>
<li>Positives: We've held retreats there before. We
can rent the entire space so we have privacy as with
past camps used for retreats.</li>
<li>Negatives: The big dorm sleeping arrangements,
repairs and updates in progress.</li>
</ul>
<li><a href="https://www.ymcastorercamps.org" target="_blank">YMCA Storer
Camp</a><br>
</li>
<ul>
<li>Used for Men's retreats about 20 years ago.</li>
<li>Sleeping Space: Four "Modern Lodges" with each
lodge having four units that sleep 7 people each
(not using top bunks), for a total of 28/lodge. We
could use 2 lodges and cutoff registration at 56, or
I could look into an additional lodge and/or a
couple cabins. There are also "Rustic Cabins" but
those have no bathrooms so guys would have to walk
to a modern lodge to use the bathrooms.</li>
<li>Breakout space: Each modern lodge has a common
room with couches, coffee tables and a fireplace. We
could also use areas in the dining hall or another
large space (Doc Miller Learning Center)</li>
<li>Food: Camp provides 4 meals (3 Saturday plus
Sunday breakfast). Dietary restrictions can be
accommodated (Vegetarian, Vegan, etc.). </li>
<li>Friday potluck: We could set up on Friday evening
and do our Friday potluck in the Doc Miller Learning
Center.</li>
<li>Tents, RVs: Per my contact he doesn't see a
problem, but he said he had to look into it and get
back to me. Based on what Camp Copneconic told me, I
will say it's probably a No.</li>
<li>This camp provides activities at an extra cost if
we're interested.</li>
<li>Dates Availibility: <span> </span>Right now, the
last 2 weekends in Sept are available.</li>
<li>Positives: I believe this camp has the space,
food, availability and features we need. My contact
was very willing to work with us.</li>
<li>Negatives: Other groups could also be at the camp
at the same time. The Dining Hall has 2 sides, so we
could be somewhat separated, and we'd have separate
space for sleeping, breakouts, etc. No tents, RVs. </li>
<li>Cost TBD. I would expect it will be similar to
Camp Copneconic, but if we're sincerely interested
in this camp, I can nail it down more.</li>
</ul>
<li><a href="https://www.campcopneconic.org" target="_blank">YMCA Camp
Copneconic</a><br>
</li>
<ul>
<li>The location scoped out by Jim Schaefer and Rick
Witten prior to the pandemic, and actually used for
about 50 UU Women for a retreat in Fall of 2022.</li>
<li>I spoke with Judi Lintott, organizer for the
women's 2022 retreat, who was very helpful with
providing information.</li>
<li>Sleeping space: The UU women used the Conference
Center, which has 20 separate rooms, each with a
couple beds, plus a couple smaller lodges. This is a
large camp, and there are multiple lodges, so it
will not be a problem to arrange sleeping space.</li>
<li>Breakout space: Dining Hall, Conference Center, a
couple other lodges. No problem.</li>
<li>Food: The camp has it's own catering service.
Dietary restrictions will be accommodated. 4 meals
provided (Sat breakfast, lunch, dinner and Sunday
breakfast)</li>
<li>Friday Potluck: The women did this on Friday
evening. The camp provided silverware and utensils.
We have to commit to no peanuts and no tree nuts.<span> </span></li>
<li>This camp provides activities at an extra cost if
we're interested (Archery, ziplines, climbing wall,
kayaks/canoes). Small additional costs.</li>
<li>No tent camping nor RVs. The camp contact (Zack)
said they don't have a license for tents and RVs, so
they can't do it.</li>
<li>The UU women did a fair amount of COVID
precautions and actions - e.g. everyone had to
provide a negative self-test just before the
retreat, masks during breakouts indoors. We could
also do this, or some subset based on the COVID
climate next fall.</li>
<li>Availability: Weekend of Sept 22-24 is available.
The following weekend is not.</li>
<li>Cost: $150/person to the camp. The UU women added
$20/person for incidentals.</li>
<li>Positives: Tried and tested recently by the UU
women. Visited and actually booked for the men in
the past (but cancelled due to COVID). This camp has
the space, food, availability and features we need.
We can separate our group into small groups for
sleeping. The contact was very willing to work with
us.</li>
<li>Negatives: Although the women had the camp to
themselves, we may not be alone, per the contact.
The Dining Hall has 2 sides, so we could be somewhat
separated, and we'd have separate space for
sleeping, breakouts, etc. No tents, RVs. </li>
</ul>
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<div><b><u>My thoughts:</u></b></div>
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<ul>
<li>My first choice/recommendation is Camp Copneconic.
2nd choice would be Camp Storer.</li>
<li>Talahi is too limited on sleeping accommodations.
Also in a state of remodeling/construction.</li>
<li>Note: All of these places don't allow alcohol, so we
absolutely can't be openly drinking.</li>
<li>We're "penciled in" for both Copneconic and Storer.
I'll cancel one when we have a decision.</li>
</ul>
<div>Let me know what you think.</div>
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<div>- John</div>
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JVS Controls Inc.
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